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Sara Super Id's definition

How do you define magic?

The use of occult arts in order to achieve results.

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sara_super_id
May. 3rd, 2010 04:53 pm (UTC)
I am thinking from your question of things like looking through a hag stone to see fairies.
sara_super_id
May. 3rd, 2010 04:54 pm (UTC)
Although, there are many different awarenesses to open up to and many ways to get there.
ianphanes
May. 3rd, 2010 07:48 pm (UTC)
I was thinking of things like scrying (finding out what someone else is doing); divination (finding out what actions to take to avoid problems); psychometry (finding out information about the owner); invocation (being able to interact directly with a deity); or even something as simple as trancing to be able to detect the flows of energy in a ritual.

All of those involve getting information or allowing non-ordinary perception, but none of them involve changes in external reality. Which I why I was wondering how broadly you define results. Some individuals would acknowledge those as results; others would limit results to changes in external reality.
sara_super_id
May. 3rd, 2010 07:59 pm (UTC)
Ah, I see. I was careful not to limit it to external results.

I don't want to limit the idea of results too narrowly, nor do I want to keep it to wide.

I don't think praying is magic. I think praying is not an occult art. However, pray can have results. So it isn't just results orientated.

Lighting a candle at the Church at the candle station with a prayer, still not occult. It is an augmented prayer with a focus. I don't doubt its effectiveness, but I wouldn't call it magic.

Thinking happy thoughts to change your outlook on life, not magic, but good psychology and self help.

Recording some events in your journal, while a spiritual and possibly a ritual event, only "results" in writing on the paper.

I like Mage of LaMacha's definition which describes a non-linear effect. I think that takes my definition a step further to describe results that are not mundane. I write in my journal in an occult language, there is letters on the paper, but I did not write them for a spell, I did not go for any results beyond recording some events. With a more specific definition, that is not magic.

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