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Sara Super Id's definition

How do you define magic?

The use of occult arts in order to achieve results.

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rapscallion
May. 8th, 2010 02:46 am (UTC)
I disagree with Cambpell's definition as well. Although if we take it to include procedure, I think it could easily include the conscious direction of the frisbee. However, it's not that I'm unwilling to be precise, it's that I'm unwilling to elaborate to a great degree when I've been snapped at.

However, to ianphanes, I would say that the way you performed "magic" without "ritual" is the only way I ever perform magic and that even if I were to include props or "externals," they would be tertiary to the crux of the thing. The actual production of the effect comes from within. The externals, in my view, are there solely to produce an internal state of readiness for performing the magic itself.

And what I was pointing out in the previous comment was that while I disagree with sara_super_id (I think the word magic can only truly apply when an effect occurs, and anything else is attempted magic at best, or as I said "like ritual that doesn't work," and I did intend that like to be an important semantic component of the sentence), that her view seems to be well-formed and consistent - taking into account my question about whether attempted magic which fails can still be called magic. At that point, it isn't a failure of her definition, but a difference of opinion. I just wanted to explore the area which seemed open to wiggle room from her original statement, and she clarified.
ianphanes
May. 9th, 2010 09:49 pm (UTC)
No snapping was intended. (I'm not even sure which comment you perceive as snappish. Can you clarify, please?)

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