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How I define magic

The ability to achieve results through the use of non-linear methods.


Good magic is the ability to achieve desired results consistently, through the use of non-linear methods.


Moral magic is the desire to bring about results without harming innocents....

Of course to some extant even after all is said and done, it is still true, that "I may not know what magic is, but I know it when I see it."

to paraphrase the classic art line.

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ianphanes
May. 6th, 2010 05:46 pm (UTC)
My use of "acausal" is influenced by Jung's descriptions of synchronicity. (Which is NOT to say that Jung's model of synchronicity is a sufficient model of magical "causality".) I'm not suggesting that there is no component of "causality", but that the standard mechanistic model of causality doesn't encompass the complexity of how magic works. What's more, magical "causality" doesn't necessarily occur in conventional time sequence; in magic, the "effect" can precede the "cause", which is forbidden in conventional causality.
rapscallion
May. 6th, 2010 08:00 pm (UTC)
That's not entirely true. Perhaps you should check out some Aristotelian notions of causality.
ianphanes
May. 6th, 2010 08:38 pm (UTC)
Perhaps you should check out some Aristotelian notions of causality.

I have--thought it's been many years. I did write "standard mechanistic model of causality" for a reason. (In general, I strongly believe in using the fewest sufficient words.) I am familiar enough with the history of ideas in the West to know that understandings of causality have shifted over time. (Though nowhere near familiar enough to trace those changes. I am not now, nor have I ever been, a philosopher.) However, so far as I remember, nothing in Aristotle mentions effect preceding an efficient cause. Can you tell me where I would find that?
rapscallion
May. 8th, 2010 02:37 am (UTC)
You'd find it in his discussions of teleology. He discusses how the effect can be a cause, for instance, in the goal-driven concept he has of species. He wasn't an evolutionist, but it's by no means an alien concept in traditional philosophy (and that's one area in which I'm an expert, as much as one can be at my stage of the game - I'm getting a PhD in it).

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